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WENGER: Well, I was basically hanging out at the USV offices after the sale of del.icio.us So along those lines, there are some venture firms that don’t really seem to care a lot about valuations and others seem to focus on a little bit. We’ve seen valuations come way down for public companies.
As it turns out, there are ways you can use data to your advantage, even if you’re not a math wizard. Barry Ritholtz : So let’s break that into two halves, starting with valuation. Explain why P/E isn’t the best way to measure valuation. People did whatever was working based more on gut feelings than data.
After all, sending someone a killer designer version of the outfit of their dreams and having them return it over the killer designer price tag not only fails to please the customer and convert the sale, but also does not give the system much in the way of useful knowledge about the customer’s preferences. million customers.
sales positions), which unfortunately makes it easier for those who take full-time sales jobs with no real financial planning to meet the experience requirement than those who take part-time paraplanner jobs as career changers even though it provides far more meaningful financial planning experience.
And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. That is not being reflected in valuations from a top down standpoint. One is, if you think about EM, equity valuations versus the s and p, the EM index is trading at, you know, 10 to 11 times forward pe. You can get growth at extremely compelling valuations.
Now if we only knew the denominator and could do the math to see what those numbers really look like. Holiday Weekend Sales For Etsy. Zenefits’ Valuation Cut. By having a reset in valuation, it could be argued that the firm is offering payment of sorts for its own past behavior. Next time, guys? SMB Working Capital.
Mike Wilson has been with Morgan Stanley since 1989, rising up through the ranks of institutional sales, trading, investing, banking to eventually becoming Chief Investment Officer and Chief US Equity Strategist. And then I went into really more of a sales role in the nineties. We were dealing with clients from a sales standpoint.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. We built a company that was focused on valuation, initially, actually targeting corporate strategic planning departments.
I did an internship in the summer at Citibank Securities in fixed income sales and trading. But the reason I went to Merrill is because they had this unique global debt rotation program that allowed you to rotate through a couple different business units in fixed income, sales and trading. And I knew I wanted to do trading.
You do the math and you’re like, “Okay, well, an advisor can handle about 100 clients, an associate advisor can help with some of those clients, you can leverage maybe an associate advisor with a couple of advisors, but there’s a capacity limit for each of the roles.” And so, we pivoted to more of a service team.
But Barry Ritholtz : You found out it was all sales, right? But Erika Ayers Badan : It was all sales. I got the sense that, so Churnin takes 51% for a fairly modest valuation, 10 or $15 million. How do you morph that into 5000% revenue gains ultimately leading multiple sales of the company? Three subsequent sales in 2020.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. I remember telling myself, why would anyone invest in mutual funds when you can buy an ETF instead?
And then somebody convinced me to go into sales and trading, and I decided to do that. Now, we’re shifting to more international places like China, Europe, et cetera, that are really growing, and that valuations are cheaper. How are we doing in literacy versus math versus science? And you know, I love markets.
And I was a math nerd as a kid. 00:44:11 [Speaker Changed] Kathy would may have her own valuation, so, but I can’t replicate it myself. One, one of those big winners has been Cosmos Pharmaceutical, which is a discount drug store and food store and Southern Japan and 00:53:14 Their sg NA to sales, something like 14 or 15%.
RITHOLTZ: So it can be price-to-sales — RITHOLTZ: Yeah. They grew more in terms of earnings, sales, cash flows. But plenty of valuation measures, it has no applicability for price-to-sales. My mom was a math teacher so — RITHOLTZ: Okay. It’s basically price divided by any reasonable fundamental.
And we’ve automated the, the appraisal process for valuation, both intrinsic value, meaning like, where would we pay it, where would we buy it, and where is the fair market price that asset from that level, from price and from consumer behavior now. We’ve gathered up all the information you would need to do an appraisal.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. With 83% of the s and p 500 reporting earnings sales are roughly in line. What was the career plan?
Sales centers are, are more productive. It was about $170 million valuation. So here’s the math, Barry. In a sales center or a call center, right? 00:59:32 [Speaker Changed] So, so in late 21, 20 22, valuations had gotten a touch frothy in, in both the public and the private markets. You all have phones.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. And so we, we get this contract written and I go off to grad school assuming I would go work at a big bank doing sales and trading in some quant role. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations.
Literally the first check-in to Robinhood, which went public in 2021 at about a $34 billion valuation. RITHOLTZ: He was the first (inaudible) in round B at the higher valuation. I don’t know I was for sale. The sale of Wallstrip. Is it about the valuation? Back then I was Wallstrip was like a 400K valuation.
00:24:49 [Speaker Changed] So let’s talk a little bit about valuation in the public markets. Does that valuation difference in the public markets extend to private markets as well? Does that valuation difference in the public markets extend to private markets as well? Hence the valuation gap.
RITHOLTZ: But in reality, any day you want to put your house up for sale, you might get a different price then — SIEGEL: If you — I mean, you know, if times are bad and then you say, “I got to sell it the next five minutes,” you don’t want to look at that price. SIEGEL: Every second. Yeah, exactly. SIEGEL: Exactly.
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