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Not only did he serve on the Brady Commission looking at the ’87 crash, but his history of investing and trading and public service, both at the Fed and the Chicago Board of Trade and Treasury Department, really unparalleled, as well as just a pretty amazing track record as an investor and trader. What did you find?
But as a private equity owner, again, first of all, you do invest heavily of your own money in the transactions, plus you have additional ownership through, you know, the carried interest, the profits interests. September 13, 1981, I think the 10-year Treasury was 15.84 You got 60 percent of losses ahead of you. RITHOLTZ: Yeah.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. And they go on longer and longer and obviously more profitable for the states that run the lottery. And then I was looking for something more applied.
And I was a math nerd as a kid. He developed the Ginnie Mae contract, which at one time was a big thing in treasury bond contract. They announced a $640 million loss and ouch. But if, if it has a history of not being profitable, you you really want to exclude that. So big loss. Very inventive and creative person.
I’m good at math and science and you know, I always had an idea what go into business, but I felt that electrical engineering would be a good foundation. You know, I, it always, I I see different numbers all the time, so it’s always kinda like, who’s math if you will? 00:02:16 [Speaker Changed] Me too.
We participated in that with treasury and FHFA and the regulators, the White House. And so, so we sort of felt pretty stupid for a while because we did a lot of losing trades in 2006 that were the, you know, that obviously didn’t come to fruition until the actual people could see the losses. The homes are here.
And, you know, therein began, I think the unraveling and, and a little bit of the, the loss of that, you know, cultural juice that had kind of historically made that firm special. 00:31:40 [Speaker Changed] So there’s the emotions and then there’s the math, right? I don’t wanna experience loss. Just extreme.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that. And I just caught the bug. Become options market makers. You learn the technology.
They don’t let the reporters into the fun stuff, but it’s a bunch of CEOs with Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, and they’re all yakking about this, the big theme that year, as it often has been since then, was environment, ESG, and they’re all talking about the kind of corporate babble that you hear at these things.
You’re doing a lot of math in your head on the Fly. I’m doing, I’m doing an awful lot of math in my head on the fly. He knows how to manage risk, and he knows how to trade for a profit for a p and l. Hank Paulson had left to go become treasury secretary. Or who has this profit?
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
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