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What happened over the last year and a half or so is rates went up and valuations went down. But in our experience, we’re seeing them efficiently transfer the creditrisk of assets, but keeping the customer relationship, it’s a very important distinction. This is their hedge to creditrisk.
And you had to take on significant duration risk and creditrisk just to earn a couple percentage points. DAVIS: Where international equities, because of valuations, probably 7% to 7.5%. RITHOLTZ: So let’s talk about that, because that gap in valuation has persisted for a long time. RITHOLTZ: Right.
But there are so many tools at your disposal, and let alone how much duration you’re taking, how much interest, how much creditrisk you’re taking, illiquidity, et cetera. And how do you make the decision, I’m not comfortable with this creditrisk relative to the return it’s going to throw off?
The challenge is unlike the S&P 500, hedge funds sit in a box that has underlying creditrisk from prime brokers. So the credit markets froze. What’s the valuation? It’s just entertainment. What’s keeping you entertained during lockdown? RITHOLTZ: And that was problematic.
But at the end of the day, the companies we invest in are bottoms up or based on bottoms up credit analytics that we have the conviction and we’ll return par plus accrued through through a cycle. And if they don’t, we’re happy to own them at the valuation that we are creating that company act.
It’s just a fascinating conversation about looking at the world from both bottoms up and top-down, as well as thinking about what valuations are like, how likely are macro events, the impact you’re getting not just the return on capital, but as famously said in fixed income, a return of your capital. But that’s very helpful too.
And up until that moment in time, we didn’t spend a lot of time on creditrisk in mortgages. We didn’t really have to model creditrisk because that was, that risk was taken by the agencies. But in these private labels, you had the, the market was taking the creditrisk.
And you know, it’s the same thing when valuation gets outta control too. It will come home to roost at some point, but doesn’t mean the valuation can’t get worse. Valuations are tight, they’re tight for a reason. You have to get compensated for each risk. We, we continue to see that left and right.
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