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So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. But I would say generally, there’s less leverage in the system.
Their benchmarks were down. I’m good at math and science and you know, I always had an idea what go into business, but I felt that electrical engineering would be a good foundation. You know, I, it always, I I see different numbers all the time, so it’s always kinda like, who’s math if you will?
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. Two reasons. For various reasons.
And so I kind of leveraged that when I went to Morningstar because they’re very focused on quality, the whole concept of economic moats, but also about buying companies when they’re trading at a discount to intrinsic value. So what do you use as a benchmark for the large cap fund? Is that, am I getting that right?
And the advice that he gave to David Einhorn about it that helped lead Einhorn to start really kicking the benchmark’s butt again for the past couple of years. That’s amazing leverage. I found this conversation to be both interesting and surprising. Very few people want to quote unquote, get onto a smartphone.
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You know, people are comfortable, leverage builds. And because remember, Lehman had the Lehman Agg and that was the benchmark. There is above benchmark returns to be generated by active selection of credit quality duration and specific bonds. You know, the leverage in the system builds. There is alpha. Where are we?
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But if you buy low multiples and sell high multiples, either in a long-only beat the benchmark sense, whether over and underweight, and you did the same thing everyone does and call me a hedge fund manager. And value and momentum do, whether it’s relative outperformance against a benchmark or absolute performance in a hedge fund.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that. This is implicitly leverage. Leverage is a tool that accentuates both the good and the bad.
It seems like an easy one, but there’s a lot of missed benchmarking that goes on. We’re going to make a benchmark much easier. So as much as I’m personally still a pretty strong skeptic of active management, I mean, I understand the math, and the odds are not in your favor. It’s how math works.
I started out math and, and physics, and in high school I was a rock star in math and physics. They take a benchmark in that case, the aggregate index is by bar the, the most common one used. Let, let’s allow you to do more and have a wider degree of risk and off benchmark in your sector. That was one aspect of it.
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