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I think actually if you go public, there tends to be a more of a concentration in owners holding founder 00:17:41 [Speaker Changed] Stock. 00:23:35 [Speaker Changed] I mean very concentrated portfolios and long-term perspective. 00:23:48 [Speaker Changed] So, so when you say concentrated, how concentrated is concentrated?
And the advice that he gave to David Einhorn about it that helped lead Einhorn to start really kicking the benchmark’s butt again for the past couple of years. And so it is important that at least you’re able to entertain that. It’s, it’s double concentrated risk. Peter is unbelievably brilliant, right?
And so, while you can see that concentration in markets, and sales, and trading, once I started really working with our private bank in a meaningful way, I was then able to lead teams of investment counselors and investors. What did you do to entertain them? RITHOLTZ: Right. It was impacting natural resources. RITHOLTZ: Right.
SEIDES: If the S&P is your benchmark, which it isn’t for these pools of capital. RITHOLTZ: What should be their benchmark? So the proper benchmark for those pools has to look a little bit like the underlying assets they’re investing in. So what do you use for a benchmark? 14, 15% a year? RITHOLTZ: Right.
NORTON: Within Morningstar Investment Management, we are very much high conviction investors probably — RITHOLTZ: Meaning concentrated portfolio? NORTON: Concentrated portfolios or willing to stick our necks out and look different than a benchmark. And we’ve learned some hard lessons that way. NORTON: Okay.
The hedge fund industry, generally, is outperforming their benchmarks. Tell us what you did to stay entertained during the lockdown and afterwards. RITHOLTZ: I’m glad you brought that up because if you look at hedge fund performance before the financial crisis, there’s a lot of alpha generators. What were you streaming?
Its index and its benchmark. Whereas the ETF is designed to be a more straightforward s and p 500 US only equity strategy 00:29:26 [Speaker Changed] And it’s concentrated 35 large cap stocks. I think right now, just in a market cap sense, market concentration, there are a lot more growth stocks. a year, way over both.
He has absolutely crushed his benchmark over that period. He’s crushed the Russell 2000, whatever benchmark you want to talk about. You’re 34th, you’re retiring after 34 years and you trounce what’s really the more appropriate benchmark, I would assume the Russell 2000. a year since 1989. Much better.
So 00:09:10 [Speaker Changed] I know Orion for many years because from the RIA perspective, from a registered investment advisor perspective, clients want to know how their portfolios are doing, what their performance is, both in absolute terms and relative to benchmarks. And something that Orion’s a big part of.
RITHOLTZ: And last question about the various teams, does everybody have a different benchmark? TROPIN: I mean, you know, there were equity hedge funds that were pretty levered, that had pretty highly concentrated, you know, growth bets, and a lot of technology companies and so on. How do you track performance? TROPIN: Yeah.
00:18:13 [Speaker Changed] When markets are going up, the benchmark is either an index like the s and p 500 or you know, someone you know that’s making even more money than you are. But it’s amazing how quickly the benchmark turns into cash or a positive return when markets are going down. Not every day, not every week.
They take a benchmark in that case, the aggregate index is by bar the, the most common one used. Let, let’s allow you to do more and have a wider degree of risk and off benchmark in your sector. The young constraint typically does not have a benchmark. We tend to be concentrated in those. That was one aspect of it.
And, and since then, you, you’ve gone on to do some work reforming L-I-B-O-R as the benchmark for rates. I think there are definitely commercial banks that are gonna have trouble due to their concentrated commercial office building portfolio. Starting with what’s keeping you entertained these days? All right.
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