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The advertising model, as we have learned is not aligned with customers’ interests, right? So along those lines, there are some venture firms that don’t really seem to care a lot about valuations and others seem to focus on a little bit. We’ve seen valuations come way down for public companies.
So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. We didn’t really have to worry about marketing or advertising, didn’t spend time on podcasts or TV.
Barry Ritholtz: The old, the old joke, half of our advertising dollars are wasted. 00:19:51 [Speaker Changed] What, what’s a better advertisement for a mutual fund than the fund manager having millions and millions of dollars invested in that exact fund? But maybe second to valuation as a primary consideration.
He has a very interesting approach to thinking about market valuations and strategies and when to deploy capital, when to go with the crowd, when to lean against the crowd, and has amassed and excellent track record. Second part of our framework is valuation fundamental work. Well, that means valuations are probably too high.
I even went on advertising calls with the advertising director. But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. It was so much fun and I learned so much. Where, where did you grow up?
Barry Ritholtz : Now, if I remember correctly, late nineties cracks in the facade were already showing of, you know, the, the monolithic radio, TV advertising world. I got the sense that, so Churnin takes 51% for a fairly modest valuation, 10 or $15 million. Big advertisers would never give Barstool Sports a look the way they do now.
RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. If you’re giving up that 1% big fat yield in 2019, 2021, let’s say you give up three years of 1% and get zero, how does the math work over the subsequent couple of years?
ADVERTISEMENT) RITHOLTZ: So you’ve been with BlackRock since the financial crisis. Now, we’re shifting to more international places like China, Europe, et cetera, that are really growing, and that valuations are cheaper. How are we doing in literacy versus math versus science? Where are we?
And I was a math nerd as a kid. But in the New York Times, there was an advertisement that the value line investment survey needed analysts. We thought it was free advertising for their index, but I guess guess they thought that their index was pre advertising for our fund or something.
But plenty of valuation measures, it has no applicability for price-to-sales. And I do think besides just the advertising aspect, I think one huge benefit to our business is we hire a lot of PhDs, including professors. My mom was a math teacher so — RITHOLTZ: Okay. It can apply to earnings. It does go to our taste.
It was about $170 million valuation. I think, you know, what we’ve, what we’ve learned about Twitter was they may have had a lot of advertisers, but I’m not sure how well it was actually working for users. I like these big advertisers, but they don’t wanna be associated with that. You all have phones.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
Literally the first check-in to Robinhood, which went public in 2021 at about a $34 billion valuation. RITHOLTZ: He was the first (inaudible) in round B at the higher valuation. Is it about the valuation? Back then I was Wallstrip was like a 400K valuation. RITHOLTZ: Valuation didn’t make much of a difference.
But thankfully, the next decade, things really accelerated in terms of the growth of the company and growth in the valuation, things like that. The math never seems to work out. RITHOLTZ: So let’s talk a little bit about the metrics of giving, go back 20, 30 years, and the question was sort of like advertising.
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